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Miracle Centre in Bethel California

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This video features one of the people I look up to in ministry Bill Johnson who has a church in California which is fully invested in miracles.

 You do not need superstars to perform signs and wonders, the video contains a documented case of a heart cavity being healed.

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Written by dawkinswatch

January 28, 2008 at 7:23 pm

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  1. She is hot!

    Nice

    January 29, 2008 at 12:32 am

  2. Why does God never heal any amputees?

    And what about all those hundreds of millions of people who are deadly ill and never get healed?

    Are those few that allegedly were healed by God so special and deserving? And all the others not deserving? Does God hate them because he does not heal them?

    Wolf Potter

    January 31, 2008 at 7:51 pm

  3. This is really quite simplistic and a good example of the problems with credulous, magical thinking and demonstrates clearly how people who are inclined towards such thinking can be decieved.

    A very quick search turned this up:

    http://www.web-books.com/elibrary/medicine/Cardiovascular/Patent.htm

    The condition discussed is well-known and will in some cases heal on it’s own.

    http://www.web-books.com/elibrary/medicine/Cardiovascular/Patent_Treatment.htm

    This is hardly a miracle of any kind.

    I still await your documented evidence of the human regrowth of a limb. If this is meant to be a response to my challenge to present such evidence, it is a very poor try. This is exactly what I predicted elsewhere on this site, a condition that is subject to remission on it’s own, yet still some will feel the need to herald it as a miracle.

    Mike

    January 31, 2008 at 8:51 pm

  4. Mike relax baby, be cool now.

    Click below
    http://www.ibethel.org/features/testimonies/index.php?f=testimonies.php&s=75&testimonies_page=4

    This is a list of testimonies from Bethel Church.

    dawkinswatch

    January 31, 2008 at 10:57 pm

  5. @dawkinswatch

    are you serious? You know as well as I do that most of these tales do not hold water. With some of them people’s imagination may be running amuck as to the cause of the cure (if it did occur as reported), others are just plain lies.

    Take, for example, “supernatural dentistry”. People claim that a chipped tooth, which had a piece missing, was miraculously restored? That is utter nonsense!

    If such a thing was possible then kindly explain, why there is not a single (credible) report anywhere in the world about an amputee having been healed?

    Sometimes pain may go away without extra treatment being applied, psychosomatic illnesses may be cured if the patient strongly believes in a cure, be it a shamanic ritual or Christian prayer.

    But certain other things like severed limbs will never regrow on a human being. Why not if God has the power to heal? Does he hate amputees? Please cf. the following website:

    http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com

    It is hard to understand that people living in the 21st century still believe in medieval fairy stories. And still harder to figure out, why people who claim to be Christians do not shun from telling downright lies about “miraculous healings”.

    Wolf Potter

    February 1, 2008 at 2:00 pm

  6. I am quite relaxed but unfortunatel have never been all that cool. I choose one testimony at random, listed at: http://www.ibethel.org/features/testimonies/index.php?f=testimonies.php&d=296

    It describes the miraculous healing of a woman’s arthiritis. There are, sadly, at least two large problems here

    1. The woman is not identified. We have no way of verifying the long term value of this “cure”. Short term placebo effects may have caused a temporary sucrease from pain, for just one explanation. I would be very surprised if this or any other “healing” kept records (like medical professionals are required to do by law) so their real efficacy could be measured.

    2. The above assumes that the undocumented incident actually took place. I note with interest that the Bethel Church websote features a store. Might it not be that certain credulous types might be more inclined to buy merchandise from people they think to be miracle workers?

    I am now making a prediction: I am going to look at more of these testimonies and thay will all be like the first one I looked at.

    Back in a moment.

    Lo and behold. I was right. No names and entirely subjective stories. I didn’t read them all, but I likely don’t need to.

    This is still not the well documented human limb regrowth you implied you could produce.

    Lastly, the reasonable person will know that the little fun I had with my prediction above was pointless. I could have easily read them before and molded my “prediction” on that. This is very close to the New Testament “fullfilled prophecy” shell game.

    Mike

    February 1, 2008 at 2:04 pm

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  8. pls pray for my sister lucy to be nice to her husband, children & in laws & to change herself

    violet

    April 6, 2008 at 10:47 am

  9. Dearest in Christ Jesus,
    Greetings in the mighty name of our Lord and God
    thank God for all of you,It is my honor to gert your address at your website,I am very interrested for it this is why i want to Introduce whom I am so that you may know as and give you our request,
    I am Rev.Rwisebura David
    President & Founder of Bethel Miracle Center in Rwanda this Ministry is much interrested for the lost souls and we do preaching them and training the servant of God on this greatest works in this Region that at first Satan distubilized it and now the Lord is so good who is bringing many hearts to Him
    I first thank for all of your prayers and I would need to Inviting you please to come to have more fruits in this region as you are in the others
    We do pray to have an opened door for you to stand with us for the fylfilment of the Commission given by Jesus to go on all over the world.
    with these we also have many Orphans and widows in this region whom we are standing with them spiritualy for helping them in any way that the Lord provides through us to them
    I am much waiting to hear back from you
    Rev.Rwisebura David
    President & Founder of Bethel Miracle Center
    Tel:+250 08573877
    Kigali Rwanda

    Rev.Rwisebura David

    August 11, 2008 at 6:10 pm

  10. PLEASE PRAY FOR ME MIKE, I WANT GOD TO HELP ME GET A GOOD AND PERMANENT JOB AND THINGS TO BE EASY FOR ME. I NEED GOD PROTECTION,BLESSING AND FAVOUR UPON MY LIFE.

    mike

    February 25, 2009 at 12:15 pm


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